America Loves A Winner
You heard it here first: Love him or hate him, Obama just all but secured his re-election.
Americans love a winner and a leader. You may disagree with this health-care bill, but you can’t argue with the fact that Obama got something done that many presidents from Teddy Roosevelt couldn’t get done. You cannot deny he is a leader. You may not like where he is leading the country, but in less than 3 years you get your chance to vote again.
All this talk about “in defiance of the will of the people, and polls show the majority of Americans….” is just garbage. Bush celebrated the fact that he did things “without paying attention to polls.” So under Bush, polls were bad, and now all the sudden the President is just supposed to follow the polling data?
We live in a republic where we elect representatives and Presidents to make decisions. And the majority has voted, you may not like but you cannot argue that this is democracy in action. If you don’t like you get mid-terms in November, but you can’t call the Dems Stalinists because they didn’t follow the polls.
Time will tell if this is a “socialist takeover” or just good commonsense reform but you can’t say we don’t have a wishy/washy President who is afraid to lay it all out on the line for what he believes in……..
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Time will tell. Now when does the tax start and when do the changes start?
1Sad Sam, you heard it here first too…..I will not deny it and say Obama is NOT a Leader, there I said it, and I feel good about that, real good….do not become over-confident…..I guess you and Obama will have a beer together to celebrate
2Sad Sam
The next time it rains, is our forefathers crying over what is happening to this great country they founded
3I’m not sure even I want to celebrate this bill, I was just making the point that he did what many people admired of Bush, “ignore the polls and stick to your guns.”
Also trying to make the larger point that this isn’t subversion of democracy, this is democracy in action. We elect these folks and they pass laws. If we don’t like the laws they pass we can boot them out of office.
But this notion of Boehner/Fox News that he is subverting the “will of the people” because of polling data is nonsense.
For the record, I would be happy to see this bill repealed along with Medicare and Medicaid. I just can’t see seniors and poor people getting something that the rest of us aren’t getting.
4I actually tend to agree. While we are at it let’s repeal the tax laws and institute a flat or fair tax and get rid of all the deductions we are so used to getting. I do agree that we all want to get rid of stuff but we all forget that most of are also receiving as well. I would love to see a fair tax and then forget about tax returns!
5TM and Sad Sam in agreement….like I said, we probably agree on 85%….
Why we don’t have a consumption tax, as opposed to an income tax, is beyond me.
If we actually had to get pay in taxes, instead of borrowing, for all these programs then we could pretty quickly eliminate a lot of this spending. Unfortunately once the “deficits don’t matter” genie got out of the bottle, it all went to hell….
SS
PS: The only genies that should get let out of the bottle are Jeannie…and her hot evil cousin….or sister, I can’t remember…
6It was her evil sister and her name was also Jeannie. Notable guests on that show included Neil Armstrong, Buzz (DWTS) Aldrin, and OJ (if it fits) Simpson.
7A friend’s daughter wrote this,32 yrs old,bright…the generation that will inherit massive debt,etc,etc….I really thought the foundation of this country, was less governemnt,less taxes……
Are they simply Ignorant or Evil
In the aftermath of the federal hijacking 1/6 of the economy in the name of healthcare reform, I have to wonder about the people who are happy about it. It seems to me that these people fall into two groups, the ignorant or the evil.
Single payer healthcare is a failure in every county where is has been tried. British, Canadians and people from around the world come to the US for care in staggering numbers.
The US is on the cutting edge of medical technology. Have you ever watched Discovery Health? Where do people around to world turn to have life threatening tumors that no other doctor will touch removed? Where do parents turn to have their dangerously conjoined twins separated? Where do they turn to have rare diseases diagnosed and treated? Overwhelmingly, it is to doctors in the United States.
This legislation threatens that. It will lead to fewer doctors and even fewer really excellent doctors. Who is going to study that long at such a huge expense without the probability of a large salary at the end of the tunnel? This will lead to rationing. With fewer practitioners and a greater demand (“free” care will create a greater demand), I see no logical way that these needs will be met. Which means they won’t. Care will be reserved for those who are of more use to society, ie those who will pay more taxes. Sorry Grandma.
And yet, I still run across people who are excited about “Historic Healthcare Reform”. Perhaps these people failed to look past the surface of this issue. Sure it sounds good for everyone to have “free” healthcare but in reality it’s not possible. When did Americans start thinking of the government as a parent? Perhaps their own parents failed to prepare them for the big bad world if they think they need someone or something to take care of them and provide for them.
Those who view the federal government as a benevolent force could not be more wrong. Our founding fathers knew that a large federal government would lead to corruption and the enslavement of the people and went to great lengths to limit its powers. What may look benevolent now will certainly change over time or under the wrong leadership. Hugo Chavez comes to mind.
So that leads me to the evil and this is the one I have the hardest time with. There are people in this country, even worse, people high up in our government who know the promises of universal healthcare are a lie. They know that this will bankrupt the country, they know that this will limit care and reduce the quality of care, they know that this will take away freedom and that is exactly what they want!
It is hard for me to conceive of people wanting to destroy this country. Who honestly thinks that he knows what is best for his neighbor? Isn’t it stealing to forcibly take something from one person to give it to someone else? What kind of thirst for power that leads people grab it at any cost. We need only look through history to see that those people do exist and I’m afraid a lot of them are hanging around Washington.
8Congratulations, you win the prize for using the most words to say the least. It took me lest time to read War and Peace.
9Okay Ace or probably nicknamed “Slick” by your friends…what is your solution ?….you whine, and bitch, and talk down to everyone….present your solution….I will be hanging on every word
10Are you trying to tell me that somewhere in that rambling manifesto there was a solution? I’m not even sure there was a point!
11No Ace, I am not telling you anything, I am asking you…you know everything….tell us your solution….I think the point was more government is bad, more government means more taxes, we are quickly going to third world status, instead of doing ourselves, goverment is ther eto lend a helping hand….come on man, tell us your solution (s)
12Well Squid, since I didn’t say there was a problem, why should I be expected to give a solution. You are the one that implies there is a problem with that 10000 word dissertation so why dont you try doing something besides bitch and moan.
13Slick aka Ace, not bitching and moaning, speaking as a frustrated American…so you think more government is better ?, higher taxes is better ? the governemnt is there to prop us up,lend a helping hand, just hold out your hand, gimme,gimme….we are losing our way, divided as never before, partisan politics at its worse
I thought you work hard,you succeed, every opportunity is available to you…now is, work hard succeed, and pay more than your fair share for those who elect not too, we all need to be the same, income re-distribution…..we are stifling the innovation….please NO BS, tell me where your head is
14I really dont understand why you think I should give solutions to a problem, that of the two of us, only you see as a problem. You give solutions to your perceived problems and quit spewing a bunch of Hannity horsecrap!
15Ace,
So you are okay with the direction our country is heading ?
16Are you okay with not asking me to justify my position when you are the one disagreeing with it? Shouldnt you be justifying your position? Personally I dont care if you do or not but dont avoid your explaination by deflecting to me.
17I think we should all just take a break and imagine a world in which we were Jeannie’s, and her evil twin sister, also called Jeannie’s “Master”…….
18Can you imagine trying to remake that show now? With political correctness running amok, you would have better luck remaking Blazing Saddles!
19Sam you almost had me with that Bush analogy. Almost. The problem is Pelosi wears the pants in Obama’s family. He was ready to throw in the towel after the Brown election. Second, and maybe I’m wrong, but all of the things that Bush did that drove the Moveon crowd nuts passed with bipartisan support. I can’t even remember a vote that was all that close. Leadership is about getting people to actually follow you. The only thing that was bipartisan about Obamacare was the opposition. He even had to give Stupak a head fake to get it over the top. Give him credit for that though. In November, we will find out whether the country views this as a big win, or the Audacity of Dopes.
20The GOP f’d up. They went into this with “must stop Obama, this will be his Waterloo, etc” attitude and he/Pelosi kicked their ass. Had they said, here are 10 senate votes, but we need tort reform, I’m sure it would have gotten done. Lest we all forget, this bill is VERY similar to the GOP alternative to Clinton’s plan, and to Mitt Romney’s Massachuesetts’ plan.
In November, all the voters will remember is “no pre-existing conditions, and my kid (who can’t find a job) can stay on my plan until 26….”
The GOP will win back some seats, as the opposition party usually does, but nonething like what they are smoking……
You heard it here first.
21If your prediction comes true, it won’t be because the elimination of pre-existing conditions excited the voters. Sam, Sam, Sam. You’re an MBA. Surely you can do the math. If we really believe there are 30 million people that don’t have coverage, We all know 5% of the people spend 60% of the health care dollars. That means, at best, there are maybe 1.5 million people who have something bad that an insurance company wouldn’t cover, and 28.5 million people who had to pay the doctor when they had the flue. A lot of the 28.5 million were kids chanting “Yes we can” one evening in Chicago last November, and now with the insurance mandate Obama’s shouting “Yes you will” at them. Wait until they figure that out. Anyway, we had a 1.5 million person problem that we solved with a 300 million person solution. You think the 1.5 million is going to make an electoral difference? Really?
22Sam, Sam, Sam. If your electoral prediction comes true, it most certainly won’t be over pre-existing conditions. You’re an MBA. I know you can do math better this U.of Tampa grad. Let’s accept that 30 million people need coverage. Since we both know 5% of actually have something reasonably serious and are spending 60% of the dollars, then 1.5 million probably have an uninsurable condition, and 28.5 million had to pay the doctor cash the last time they had the flue. Your boys decided to solve a 1.5 million person problem with a 300 million person solution. Now guys like me will have to pay more for coverage because I will be forced to buy limits I don’t financially need. Great. Even more, many of the 28.5 million were 20 somethings shouting “Yes We Can” in Chicago one night last November. With the mandate, now Obama is shouting “Yes You Will” back at them. Wait until the buzz wears off and they figure that out. Your answer to that is, no problem, dad can buy the coverage. Not in this household. So, all things being equal, you think the 1.5 million make the big electoral difference? Really?
23Here’s how the whole Bill Becomes A Law thing works. School House rock updated for 2010 You Tube video
http://viralfootage.com/?p=6443
24Sorry, Sam..Anonymous is me..as if you didn’t know. I told you I didn’t know anything about this blogging stuff. I couldn’t even get it to accept my first post, so I did it again…then they both appear. This stuff is about as foreign to me as attending a Pelosi family reunion.
25Jeff, the problem is you didnt have your user name on there so the system didnt recognize you. When a person has been approved, WordPress automatically posts comments. If not, then I approve. That is to keep spam and vile comments off the blog. Like your comments. They make good points.
26Jeff: I knew Anonymous was you…We’ll just find out in November……If the GOP takes back either the House or Senate, you win and I owe you a “large coffee.” If not, and I win, you owe me a “venti decaf, chai latte, non-fat, moca, with a hint of vanilla, stirred counter clockwise”
27Now I see the difference between you high priced guys, and us average joes….we would be betting a budweiser against a pbr!
28That’s fine. I don’t drink foo-foo coffee.
29Hey Sam:
Do you think all these companies ought to show up and testify about their health care earnings charges to Henry Waxman, or should they just send in the SEC instead? You got to admit, at least on this subject, the guy is a bufffoon.
30It’s all about intimidation. And you know those CEO’s of large corporations are so easily intimidated! ha, what a joke…
Sorry had to answer!
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